Wrath of m0o · May 21, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01

If you purchase your lockpicks from a Discount Merchant, the base price of lockpicks goes down to 1200g per key, resulting in a substantial lowering of survival chance needed to break even. Discounted lockpicks will have a better value than discounted keys only if the regular priced lockpick had a better value than the regular priced key. -wiki-

Someone plz awnser this for me, Are Full price lockpicks better at retaining than Discounted?
thnx in adv

Bane of Worlds · May 21, 2007, 12:05 AM // 00:05

They have the same survival chance. Maybe the wiki descriptions needs changing...

same chance and a lower value that gets you closer to breaking even

scrinner · May 21, 2007, 12:10 AM // 00:10

It means that since the lockpick is cheaper, The less money you lose and the more chance of you not losing any money.

Raaaaa · May 21, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13

I think that just describes the fact that in the long run you will save considerably more money.
So the money spent to lock pick retaintion ratio.

Wrath of m0o · May 21, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16

resulting in a substantial lowering of survival chance needed to break even.

GreatLich · May 21, 2007, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

resulting in a substantial lowering of survival chance needed to break even.

from the other thread "Hard Mode chest question", incindently on the same topic and also started by you:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Stop quoting that. You obviously don't even understand what your own post means if you keep asking "which is better?"

this was QFT... obviously English isn't your native language, because you seem incapable of wrapping your head around the text you keep quoting from GuildWiki. So I'll quote myself from that other thread as well:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreatLich

Reading comprehension ftw!
try reading it like this:

resulting in a substantial lowering of [the] survival chance [that you] need(ed) [in order] to break even(<- expression that means getting the money back you spend, so there's no loss.)

I hope you get it now... Please stop copy pasting guildwiki without asking any questions.

Wrath of m0o · May 21, 2007, 05:06 AM // 05:06

Im sorry, i thought the price of the lockpick had to do with the equasion to decide weather the lockpick broke or not.

Well, im giving up on lockpicks altogether, as well as keys, imo they arent worth what's inside the chest anyway, and with max Lucky points, and max Treasure hunter, your still looking at a 43% (33+10) to not break the lock pick. So, i spent 50-75k to get lucky title, wich changed my 10% chance to retain a lockpick into 12%.(Hard mode chest)
And thank you for finally making me understand what that statement meant, it has been bothering me all weekend, i thank you and apreciate your critizm.

Sophitia Leafblade · May 21, 2007, 10:06 AM // 10:06

Discount Merchant?? im confused i know ive been missing from gw for a few weeks waiting for my new Pc but i havnt seen any mention of new npcs in the updates?

Yol · May 21, 2007, 10:14 AM // 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

Discount Merchant??

In Factions, if your Alliance controls a town, you get access to a discounted merchant in the private members area of the outpost.

Sophitia Leafblade · May 21, 2007, 10:59 AM // 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yol

In Factions, if your Alliance controls a town, you get access to a discounted merchant in the private members area of the outpost.

ah right, i didnt realize the merchants in those areas were discounted. Thanks

Coridan · May 21, 2007, 11:10 AM // 11:10

but if you look at it as spending 50-75k working on 3 title.....possible 4.....

Lucky
Unlucky
Treasure Hunter
Wisdom Title

its not a bad investment....you probably would have spent 30k just getting Lucky title playing in one of the rings see below

Lucky Nine Rings Rings of Fortune
Charmed
50,000 tickets 5,294 games 44.1K 26,667 games 50.0K

So if you bought say 60k worth of 1200g Lock Picks
you bought 50 keys

which is half way to Treasure hunter title with absolutely not retention of any lock picks...which you obviously had some...so if you look at it like that

it only cost 16K to get half-way thru the Treasure Title Tier 1
and 44k to get first lvl of Lucky....and probably work towards the other 2 i mentioned as well.

SotiCoto · May 21, 2007, 11:12 AM // 11:12

I don't even know why the sweet hell they get discount merchants anyway.
Why should guilds dedicated primarily to PvP (okok, or the occasional FFF) be rewarded with cheaper PvE goods? It is thoroughly retarded.

lakatz · May 21, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

If you purchase your lockpicks from a Discount Merchant, the base price of lockpicks goes down to 1200g per key, resulting in a substantial lowering of survival chance needed to break even. Discounted lockpicks will have a better value than discounted keys only if the regular priced lockpick had a better value than the regular priced key. -wiki-

Someone plz awnser this for me, Are Full price lockpicks better at retaining than Discounted?
thnx in adv

With all due respect to the authors of the wiki and their huge contribution to the GW community, some of them just don't have that easy a time writing English. I read a sentence the other day on the wiki that was grammatically incorrect to the point of being incomprehensible, and this passage comes close to that point. But, although the writer wasn't that articulate in making his point, I can still tell what it is. And...

The answer to your question is, "NO."

His point in that passage is about calculating which is a better choice to use on a chest in Normal Mode, a lockpick or a key. His comment about the discounted lockpick vs the regular priced lockpick was peripheral information.

Lydz · May 21, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by SotiCoto

I don't even know why the sweet hell they get discount merchants anyway.
Why should guilds dedicated primarily to PvP (okok, or the occasional FFF) be rewarded with cheaper PvE goods? It is thoroughly retarded.

No, it is not actually. Has it ever crossed your mind that because we are working so hard to retain the town we don't have as much time for farming or whatever else one may feel like doing for money? It's not like we battle 24/7...we still do other things you know, just not as much as dedicated PvErs. We work for the town so there should be some sort of reward involved. After all...it's not like gaining access to The Deep or Urgoz is exclusive...we do taxi people.

Coridan · May 22, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56

I belong to an alliance that runs a town....the saving is pitiful for the amount of work it takes to control one...not only that but you have to "map" back to that town to purchase the discounted items..unless i am buying something in bulk....i don't bother with the discount merchant...as far as i am concerned the only thing worth purchasing from them is keys.

Enko · May 22, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by lakatz

With all due respect to the authors of the wiki and their huge contribution to the GW community, some of them just don't have that easy a time writing English. I read a sentence the other day on the wiki that was grammatically incorrect to the point of being incomprehensible, and this passage comes close to that point. But, although the writer wasn't that articulate in making his point, I can still tell what it is. And...

The answer to your question is, "NO."

His point in that passage is about calculating which is a better choice to use on a chest in Normal Mode, a lockpick or a key. His comment about the discounted lockpick vs the regular priced lockpick was peripheral information.

you could always edit it yourself and fix it then . ..

May 21, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01	#1
Wrath of m0o Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Boston Ma. Guild: Is That Your Build[HaHa] Profession: P/W	Lockpicks -Which one is better ? If you purchase your lockpicks from a Discount Merchant, the base price of lockpicks goes down to 1200g per key, resulting in a substantial lowering of survival chance needed to break even. Discounted lockpicks will have a better value than discounted keys only if the regular priced lockpick had a better value than the regular priced key. -wiki- Someone plz awnser this for me, Are Full price lockpicks better at retaining than Discounted? thnx in adv

May 21, 2007, 12:05 AM // 00:05	#2
Bane of Worlds Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Meadow Profession: Rt/	They have the same survival chance. Maybe the wiki descriptions needs changing... same chance and a lower value that gets you closer to breaking even

May 21, 2007, 12:10 AM // 00:10	#3
scrinner Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006	It means that since the lockpick is cheaper, The less money you lose and the more chance of you not losing any money.

May 21, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13	#4
Raaaaa Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: AP Profession: D/	I think that just describes the fact that in the long run you will save considerably more money. So the money spent to lock pick retaintion ratio.

May 21, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16	#5
Wrath of m0o Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Boston Ma. Guild: Is That Your Build[HaHa] Profession: P/W	resulting in a substantial lowering of survival chance needed to break even.

May 21, 2007, 05:06 AM // 05:06	#7
Wrath of m0o Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Boston Ma. Guild: Is That Your Build[HaHa] Profession: P/W	Im sorry, i thought the price of the lockpick had to do with the equasion to decide weather the lockpick broke or not. Well, im giving up on lockpicks altogether, as well as keys, imo they arent worth what's inside the chest anyway, and with max Lucky points, and max Treasure hunter, your still looking at a 43% (33+10) to not break the lock pick. So, i spent 50-75k to get lucky title, wich changed my 10% chance to retain a lockpick into 12%.(Hard mode chest) And thank you for finally making me understand what that statement meant, it has been bothering me all weekend, i thank you and apreciate your critizm.

May 21, 2007, 10:06 AM // 10:06	#8
Sophitia Leafblade Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG] Profession: R/	Discount Merchant?? im confused i know ive been missing from gw for a few weeks waiting for my new Pc but i havnt seen any mention of new npcs in the updates?

May 21, 2007, 11:10 AM // 11:10	#11
Coridan Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: US Guild: Old Married Gamers {OMG} Profession: W/	but if you look at it as spending 50-75k working on 3 title.....possible 4..... Lucky Unlucky Treasure Hunter Wisdom Title its not a bad investment....you probably would have spent 30k just getting Lucky title playing in one of the rings see below Lucky Nine Rings Rings of Fortune Charmed 50,000 tickets 5,294 games 44.1K 26,667 games 50.0K So if you bought say 60k worth of 1200g Lock Picks you bought 50 keys which is half way to Treasure hunter title with absolutely not retention of any lock picks...which you obviously had some...so if you look at it like that it only cost 16K to get half-way thru the Treasure Title Tier 1 and 44k to get first lvl of Lucky....and probably work towards the other 2 i mentioned as well.

May 21, 2007, 11:12 AM // 11:12	#12
SotiCoto Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drazach Thicket Guild: Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]	I don't even know why the sweet hell they get discount merchants anyway. Why should guilds dedicated primarily to PvP (okok, or the occasional FFF) be rewarded with cheaper PvE goods? It is thoroughly retarded.

May 22, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56	#15
Coridan Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: US Guild: Old Married Gamers {OMG} Profession: W/	I belong to an alliance that runs a town....the saving is pitiful for the amount of work it takes to control one...not only that but you have to "map" back to that town to purchase the discounted items..unless i am buying something in bulk....i don't bother with the discount merchant...as far as i am concerned the only thing worth purchasing from them is keys.